peroni
7:33 Tue Feb 4
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Cavaday
"No place for it anywhere in a decent society. How hard is it just to shut the fuck up, keep your opinions to yourself and let other people live their lives?
Cretins"
Please tell me you're joking?
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Mike Oxsaw
7:29 Tue Feb 4
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How about if you happen to think that you're the best thing since sliced bread and say to someone "You're not me."
Now, having already decided that you are the best there is, pointing out that someone is not you, i.e not as good as you, is derogatory.
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mashed in maryland
7:10 Tue Feb 4
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:50 Tue Feb 4
Absolutely nothing in that post refutes the fact that using someone's perceived poofery as an insult meets the criteria for homophobia.
It would be like if I were to imply that you're a Jew as a negative, you'd be perfectly justified to accuse me of antisemitism.
No I don't think either should have public money wasted on investigating.
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Mike Oxsaw
6:29 Tue Feb 4
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Cavaday 6:10 Tue Feb 4
When are you planning to deny the Holocaust?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:16 Tue Feb 4
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Cavaday 6:10 Tue Feb 4
'No place for it anywhere in a decent society.'
'How hard is it just to shut the fuck up, keep your opinions to yourself and let other people live their lives?'
Erm...
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Cavaday
6:10 Tue Feb 4
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Good.
No place for it anywhere in a decent society. How hard is it just to shut the fuck up, keep your opinions to yourself and let other people live their lives?
Cretins.
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Block
5:59 Tue Feb 4
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Can I ask a question?
I was talking in the office about how I like baths and someone said "Ha, GAY!" is that homophobic?
Back in the day, you'd call your mates gay for all sorts of reasons.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
5:50 Tue Feb 4
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mashed in maryland 5:08 Tue Feb 4
A. Your definition of homophobia is such that someone saying something like "i hate poofters" isn't homophobic
Of course it is. They didn't say that though, did they?
B. You honestly think that people calling Brighton fans gay is meant in a purely objective manner and not meant as an insult
Of course it's meant as an insult. But as I explained, it's not 'phobic', though, so it can't be 'homophobic' unless we have invented a special category of phobia in order to allow for fake outrage.
Phobia - Irrational fear or hatred. Or mildly low opinion. e.g. You silly idiot. You big poof.
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Mike Oxsaw
5:26 Tue Feb 4
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FFS - it's a football match, not Henley Regatta.
Brighton is the self-proclaimed gay capital of the UK. Same way as Spurs are the self-proclaimed "Yids" of football (not withstanding the fact that us, amongst several other clubs are actually "more Jewish" then they could ever be).
Goading opposition fans is an integral part of the match day experience. Get rid of that and it's (yet) another step towards the total sterilisation and sanitisation of the game.
When that happens we may all as well sit at home watching a CGI version of every game.
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Darby_
5:25 Tue Feb 4
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Scratch that. I misunderstood what someone’s post was saying, so was arguing against a point they didn’t make.
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Darby_
5:21 Tue Feb 4
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A phobia doesn’t necessarily mean a fear. It can also be an irrational aversion to something. For example, xenophobia Is usually considered a dislike or hatred of foreigners rather than a fear of them.
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mashed in maryland
5:08 Tue Feb 4
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:23 Tue Feb 4
Your argument would work if:
A. Your definition of homophobia is such that someone saying something like "i hate poofters" isn't homophobic
B. You honestly think that people calling Brighton fans gay is meant in a purely objective manner and not meant as an insult
Neither of which I believe for a second to be true as you're not retarded.
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Razzle
4:52 Tue Feb 4
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what a bummer...
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Golden Oldie
1:33 Tue Feb 4
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5urf4c3463n7x2z3r0 1:23
Well said, bravo!
Now take your comment and read it back to yourself very slowly, you might even learn something...
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Hammer and Pickle
1:31 Tue Feb 4
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SHIFTING THE MEANING OF WORDS
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:23 Tue Feb 4
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MiM
A phobia is an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something. If I were to call you a spider, it wouldn't make me arachnophobic. If I said, 'you must be mad', it wouldn't mean I hated mad people.
You are falling into the trap of confusing mild teasing or even a belief that heterosexuality is superior with a phobia.
It's akin to the 'only white people can be racist' thing. It's shifting the meaning of words in order to enable offence-taking.
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Sven Roeder
1:19 Tue Feb 4
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So referring to a homosexual person as a homosexual or implying such through a gesture is an offence?
And implying a heterosexual person is homosexual is an offence as well?
The taking of offence sounds homophobic to me because it is saying that being a homosexual is a negative thing
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Golden Oldie
1:15 Tue Feb 4
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british is best 2:42
Amen!
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:13 Tue Feb 4
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:40 Tue Feb 4
'because by "suggesting" you are insuinating it is "less that normal" - or something derogatory
it's what's impicit in your "name calling"
No it isn't.
Firstly 'homosexual is a perfectly neutral word. Nothing at all like 'fat, cripple, paki or nigger'.
Secondly, how do you know what other people are thinking?
SJW thought crime alert!!!!!
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J.Riddle
1:13 Tue Feb 4
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Blackbirds no offence intended....
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J.Riddle
1:12 Tue Feb 4
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simon.s 12:05 Tue Feb 4
Looked like blackbirds to me mate, granted they were mincing about something queer like?
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